[kjsl105]

I know this is a hot topic but I'm pretty lost between the two and would really appreciate some insight. AAC makes a seriously nice product but does it's quality justify it's high price? My original plan was to just go with the YHM 7.62 setup (QD FH & Suppressor) which would blanket the conversion kits that are supposed to be released later this year, but if I opted not to SBR just yet and shorten the barrel down and permanently attach the Flash Hider (to a total of 16"). Then I found out that YHM would void their warantee if this was done! Not too big of a deal if I just plan on mounting this FH on my 16" and wait for the SBR barrel later. But now I'm really wondering if I should just go ahead with the AAC Setup.

YHM $650 (Suppressor & Flash Hider)
$200 Tax
$100 Labor
$950

AAC $850+$100= $950 (Suppressor & Flash Hider)
$200 Tax
$100 Labor
$1250

Is the additional $300 worth it?
If you have experience or knowledge with either please chime in!
Gemtech, Surefire and other brand suppressor input are of course welcome.
(Pictures & Videos always help)

Thanks

 

[kjsl105]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=307302

 

[DSM]

Big reason for not wanting you to cut the barrel down is that they are concerned the threads won't be concentric and the mount will be off-center. A justified concern. Here's my $.02, have someone like Adco cut the barrel back because they'll do it right. If you're using a .30 cal can on a .223 you've also really reduced the chances of a baffle strike.

I've shot both cans (YHM and AAC) and there's not much difference to my uncalibrated ears. It's an investment you'll probably keep the rest of your life so make sure you buy something that you really want. Either can will do what you want it to do in the end, but, if you're looking for an opinion, I'd say go with the AAC. Maybe spend a few extra bucks and go with their new SDN-6 can.

 

[kjsl105]

Thanks DMS,

Yeah as I'm looking more and more into this, I think I'm probably just going to pick up a quality Spikes 12.5 and not worry about cutting and recrowning with the hopes of it turning out ok. I also checked out the SDN-6 and they are very nice, but man are they spendy.

 

[JasonM]

Thanks DMS,

Yeah as I'm looking more and more into this, I think I'm probably just going to pick up a quality Spikes 12.5 and not worry about cutting and recrowning with the hopes of it turning out ok. I also checked out the SDN-6 and they are very nice, but man are they spendy.

The 762-SDN-6 is our latest 30 cal can and features all-inconel baffles and endcap as well as a new baffle stack design that makes it an inch shorter than our 762-SD.

that said, if you are not shooting full-auto on very short barrels, you'll be very well served by the 762-SD. It features an Inconel blast baffle and the rest stainless. Same fully-welded core construction, same 51-tooth ratchet mount and it's $200 less MSRP.

YHM cans are OK. Their main selling point is their price. They are a few years behind in terms of performance.

Let me know any other questions you might have,
J

 

[kjsl105]

I hate to throw another contender at the thread, but my Class III dealer just gave me a great deal on the Gemtech suppressor system. How are they in comparision to the AAC & YHM products?

 

[JasonM]

I hate to throw another contender at the thread, but my Class III dealer just gave me a great deal on the Gemtech suppressor system. How are they in comparision to the AAC & YHM products?

If i can be painfully honest (not knowing anything about you or your shooting), any of those 3 will probably work for the average shooter. If you shoot a lot, the materials, construction, mount and performance of the AAC is far and away tops.

Specifically what I don't like about Gemtech is that they don't weld the core together (essentially press-fit baffles), the welds they DO use on the tube are thin laser welds that have broken, and their quick mount (bilock) relies on moving parts and a spring INSIDE the mount of the can where it can/does get fouled and the heat is no good for the temper of the spring. YMMV.

Again, if you don't shoot much and just want to get a can, YHM, Gemtech, will be fine. The top end currently is AAC, KAC, and Surefire.

 

[kjsl105]

Hey Jason,

I appreciate the input, yup I am just an average shooter. Probably put about 300-500 rounds downrange a month. I'm getting a quote for a 7.62SD because right now I am able to pick up a YHM 7.62 or a Gemtech 7.62 for a pretty fair price. Everywhere I've read, the AAC comes out ahead but it's cost is always the kicker. I only plan on a getting a can for multi cal use on rifle, multi cal handgun, and my MKIII so to just have about 3 good quality suppressors would do me just fine.

 

[kjsl105]

I've read that the AAc is .25" longer than the YHM but also about 9 ounces lighter than the YHM stainless. Also, is the infamous "ping" as bad as they say? I'm ordering it up and putting in for my tax stamp either today or monday, leaning towards the 7.62SD.

Today I'm sending out my Forms to SBR to a 12.5

http://xcrforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=589b2d7a55f3c76e4d24a6058c513f77&topic=10366.0

 

[JasonM]

I've read that the AAc is .25" longer than the YHM but also about 9 ounces lighter than the YHM stainless. Also, is the infamous "ping" as bad as they say? I'm ordering it up and putting in for my tax stamp either today or monday, leaning towards the 7.62SD.

Today I'm sending out my Forms to SBR to a 12.5

http://xcrforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=589b2d7a55f3c76e4d24a6058c513f77&topic=10366.0

9 ounces less at the end of your barrel is HUGE.

The 'Ping" happens with every open-ended flash hider to a degree. Some guns have none, some guns have more. It's not something I've ever noticed while shooting. It tends to go away once you get some carbon on there from shooting.

Also, you have the option of running a Muzzle Brake or a combo Brake/hider each of which have no ping at all.

That said, if you are looking for an effective flash hider, the BLACKOUT is the way to go. The Army tested all available last fall and chose to send 10,000 BLACKOUTs to our boys in Afghanistan over the winter.

We developed the BLACKOUT and abandoned the phantom-style for a reason- after heavy use, the 'web' between the slots at the end of the phantom erodes and cracks.

 

[kjsl105]

Alright I've been leaning toward the AAC 7.62sd and have just decided to do it. I spoke with my FFL and I'm putting an order in for it tommorrow. They said they didn't know how long it would take for them to recieve it from AAC maybe a week-2 months, then there's the 2-4 month wait on the stamp to go through....so I'm thinking it could take as long as October to have it running on the gun. Unless you can maybe help get it that can up here sooner Jason......haha

 

[JasonM]

Alright I've been leaning toward the AAC 7.62sd and have just decided to do it. I spoke with my FFL and I'm putting an order in for it tommorrow. They said they didn't know how long it would take for them to recieve it from AAC maybe a week-2 months, then there's the 2-4 month wait on the stamp to go through....so I'm thinking it could take as long as October to have it running on the gun. Unless you can maybe help get it that can up here sooner Jason......haha

I wish. I DO know we have them in stock and ready to ship, so the only hold will be the ATF. Form 3's (From us to your dealer) usually take 3 weeks, but have recently been in the 5 week timeframe.

Yours could very well be in this batch of cans headed to paint last week:

 

[kjsl105]

...........that is just beautiful.

Ok well that eases the waiting pain a bit. Thanks for all your help Jay.

 

[DSM]

Hey, look over there! What in the world can that be?!?

[Runs away with an arm full of new cans...]

 

[kjsl105]

Hahaha yeah that'd be an interesting day. Stealing from the Freedom Group, can't see that going very well.

Has anyone seen a video clip of an ACR 12.5 with an AAC 7.62SD? I know it's a bit specific but it would be great to see.

 

[Warpdrv]

Also, you have the option of running a Muzzle Brake or a combo Brake/hider each of which have no ping at all.

Jason, what product would you suggest for the ACR for something such as a Brake/Hider combo...
Was looking through the products on AAC, are you talking about the BRAKEOUT™ 51T Compensator

Or do you have other products along those lines that would be an upgrade to whats already on the ACR now...

 

[JasonM]

Jason, what product would you suggest for the ACR for something such as a Brake/Hider combo...
Was looking through the products on AAC, are you talking about the BRAKEOUT™ 51T Compensator

Or do you have other products along those lines that would be an upgrade to whats already on the ACR now...

The BRAKEOUT is what I refer to as a combo device. The first "brake" chamber is very effective at reducing recoil and keeping the muzzle down. Flash is brought down to just about the range of an A2 hider, sometimes a little more depending on which ammo.

Other people prefer the double chamber Brake to reduce recoil as much as possible and don't mind the loss of flash reduction.

That said, in 90% of our guns, we run BLACKOUT flash hiders. Simply because of the flash reduction and less "blasty" nature when shooting unsuppressed. Of course, most of our guns are SBRs, and at short barrel lengths brakes can get a little obnoxious.

In looking this over, I see that i probably confused you more, but really muzzle device choice is a personal decision based on you own criteria- flash reduction, recoil reduction, or a mix.

 

[Warpdrv]

Well I would be opting for more in the realm of recoil reduction and less of a flash reduction to improve accuracy and just keeping on point....
A mix of both would be an upgrade but I really need to start sending more rounds down the line to get a better feel for what I need...

Appreciate your help, sorry for the derail kjs....

 

[JasonM]

Well I would be opting for more in the realm of recoil reduction and less of a flash reduction to improve accuracy and just keeping on point....
A mix of both would be an upgrade but I really need to start sending more rounds down the line to get a better feel for what I need...

Appreciate your help, sorry for the derail kjs....

If you're looking for a fun weekend where you can try all this stuff out (and a lot more)- http://www.silencershoot.com

 

[Warpdrv]

Saw you mention that before, I think I'm going to have to try and make that event