[RussTBullet]

Hey guys, I have been wanting a semi auto .308 for a while now and I've finally saved up quite a bit of cash. Its been a toss between the DPMS SASS and the PTR MSG 91.

Of course if the Massound was here there would be no question...

But seriously, I've always love the HK roller locking tech and always here good things about PTR. I have some trigger time on the SASS and on a real HK, just never a PTR.

I've been suckered into the CAI CETME already and as you might guess its a POS! So I do have the mags for a G3 style rifle.

So the big question is- any thoughts? Anyone hear with first hand PTR experience would be greatly appreciated.

 

[bigdog2003_99]

i used to have the msg91, got it for 1200 shipped, its a great rifle imo. i was pretty hard up for cash so i didnt get to put any optics for accuracy testing before i sold it though, if you can get one for a good price i'd definitely look into getting one

 

[RussTBullet]

Glad to hear. Like I said I love the roller design, so I've been leaning toward the MSG. My local gun shop tracked one down for $1900 in Texas. The only thing that bothers me is that they can find ONLY one. Any idea why these are so rare? Or it is like Kel Tec's products, meaning supply is always low?

 

[BushyAR15]

I just picked up a Cetme. What didn't you like about it? Did it have problems? I got my Cetme about a week ago and haven't had a chance to shoot it.

I too wanted a .308. Got the cetme in the interim. My SCAR 17 arrives this week.

 

[RussTBullet]

Well CIA (assuming your CETME is a Century) CETMEs are the luck of the draw. To my knowlegde (and I have researched it) you can't adjust windage. Its WELDED on, only elevation. Plus I wanted a more accurate .308 anyway, with the same mag capacity. Also, on my CETME, the safety is backwards than on a HK 91/PTR 91, meaning its harder the take it off safe than to put it on. And last, scope mounting is very...annoying to say the least. On most PTRs theres a welded on M1913 rail.

But this is only my opinion. If you get one with good sights, good head spacing (google it, on some CIA took short cuts) and you only run iron sights, its a good rifle. Its like a AK. You can beat it up, throw it in mud and it keeps working. No bells and whistles. As it been said before- its the rifle you can put it behind the back seat of a pick up truck and never worry about its condition.

By the way, I love the SCAR 17. While I have not shot one, I have handled one. To me, it feels just like the 16, light!! If I wanted more of a battle rifle, that would be my pick. Expensive as hell though... the good ones always are.

 

[USMCfor20]

As I stated in a previous thread. I have fired a Patriot Ordinance Factory 308 and love it! I would highly reccomend that you look into POFs before you make your choice.

 

[Tackleberry23]

I've never shot one, but I've been looking at the DPMS Oracle .308. It's the basic mod for their .308 platform. The thing that I fell in love with, other than the basic price (about $1,000), is the trigger. Their website specs say it's a standard AR trigger group, but the two that I tried in store are WAY smoother. It felt really nice. They redesigned the forward assist a little bit and the lower has a solid billet design with an integral trigger guard.

As for accuracy, you might do better with a different one, but I'm not sure. Their SASS looks great if you can afford it. I've had no experience with the other.

 

[RussTBullet]

Well I ventured up to the NRA Annual. I visited many booths, even PTR was there. I ended up deciding on the PTR MSG. The SASS was nice, but was a little heavier and had an extremely stiff action. It was ridiculously hard. But the as far as the triggers go, the MSG wasn't too good- about 8 to 10lbs, but Bill Springfield can bring the pull down to 4 to 5lbs. Another reason for the PTR was I already had alot of mags and gear for the hk platform due to owning a CETME.

Also, I talked to Century Int. Arms. And I complained about the sight on the CETME not being adjustable, and they said that windage IS actually adjustable by turning the front sight post. See, unlike a AR, the post is off center, so when rotated, it moves left or right depending on which way you turn it. CIA used to make sight tools, but stopped and told me to look on Ebay...wtf?

Oh and by the way, I also bothered the BFI Reps about accessorries. They said they are taking barrel assembly orders (which I think everyone knew that), but also that the 6.8 kits (price: $700-$800) (haven't evern touched the AK conv) will be out 3rd quarter of this year. They also said that they are very close to releasing a .450 Bushmaster kit.

 

[cjt50]

.....................................Oh and by the way, I also bothered the BFI Reps about accessorries. They said they are taking barrel assembly orders (which I think everyone knew that), but also that the 6.8 kits (price: $700-$800) (haven't evern touched the AK conv) will be out 3rd quarter of this year. They also said that they are very close to releasing a .450 Bushmaster kit.

$700 - $800!!!! I hope like the rest of the BFI staff lately, the guy you talked to was wrong about the price.

 

[RussTBullet]

$700 - $800!!!! I hope like the rest of the BFI staff lately, the guy you talked to was wrong about the price.

I really hope so too. BFI needs to get it together, this is ridiculous. One of their main selling points is conversion and spare parts, unlike the SCAR...at least it is in theory.

 

[Tommys229]

That is absurd

 

[RufusAZ]

Yeah, I really hope that is false. Yikes.

 

[USMCfor20]

A .450 Bushmaster Kit?!?! I'M IN! I would buy that long before 6.8. A .450 never crossed my mind. I cant describe how excited I am.

 

[cjt50]

A .450 Bushmaster Kit?!?! I'M IN! I would buy that long before 6.8. A .450 never crossed my mind. I cant describe how excited I am.

+1

I have always wanted an AR in 450BM after shooting my buddies, but if BFI is possibly going to release a kit for the ACR, I'm all over it. That is one hellava round out to 200 yards. Very hard hitting and very easy to reload!!

MSRP for it is $759 and usually once a year, they go for just under $600 when BFI has thier annual sale. Thats for a full AR upper, magazine and BCG. Hopefully the ACR kit won't be more then that.

 

[Agent.PYLE]

IMO that is a ridiculous price for a barrel & extractor even if it comes with a mag. which I doubt.

 

[RussTBullet]

Well I'm surprised ya'll didn't know about the .450 kit. I found that out months ago over the phone, but given CS's history I didn't give it much thought until I got a confirmation at NRA.

Anyways, at NRA I was able to order the MSG directly from CDNN so instead of paying 1900, I paid 1600. It's a pretty good deal seeing as it came with a 2 point sling, scope rings, and a scope, in addition to the Harris bipod and Magpul PRS. Its no leupold, but given that its made in China its not so bad. I am consistantly getting 1 MOA groupings with Barnual (Silver Bear SP 147g).

 

[izzy]

Don't mean to drag this post too far back from the dead, but I have the same decision to make between the two rifles.

How is the MSG91 shooting currently? 1 MOA is what I've seen advertised, versus 1/2 possible for the DPMS SASS.

Is the MSG91 as bad on brass as is claimed by other users?

 

[RussTBullet]

Well as far as acuracy goes, does 1- sub moa with Tula and silver bear count? Haha yes it is everything I wanted it to be. And yes it murders brass, but I have heard of people reloading it 2-3 times before its's beat up to bad. Which is way I use Tula and silver bear. Just make sure you clean the flutes before using brass if you've been using steel.

By the way I take back most of what I said about the CETME. I managed to get the sights fixed and it now shoots 3-4 moa with the same ammo. All dressed up in OD green hk furniture of course...
By the way both the PTR and the CETME now have Bill Springfield trigger jobs. This helps TREMENDOUSLY!! He does awesome work and if something doesn't work/fit right, he's with you all the way.