[fearless1]

Hi Guys (gals?):

My first time here and seriously considering joining the ACR community with purchase of an ACR (perhaps tomorrow).

Although nobody has a crystal ball, I was just wondering about:

Future Prices of ACR
I'm inclined to think that for various market force reasons that prices will graudally drop as time passes. This is great for someone who hasn't purchased an ACR but would mean increased loss of value for current owners.

Longevity
What is expected market "life cycle" of the ACR. In other words, will ACR production cease in next few years (not likely) or will production last for say 20 yrs (also not likely). Of course, the worst case scenario would be product termination in the near future implying loss of support, lack of spare parts, loss of value, etc.

Competition/Future Development
Should I buy an ACR now or perhaps wait for an improved ACRv2 to be released in the future?
How about this, should I buy an ACR now or perhaps wait for something like a Beretta ARX 160 to be sold in the USA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_ARX_160

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YS8eAiDUzs&feature=related

Thanks,

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[VB]

I don't know what will happen in 20 years. No one does.

The ARX isn't out now and might never be so if you want to wait that is on you.

 

[Jprizz23]

Short term i see the ACR is here to stay. Sales have been good and most are realizing it is every bit as good as it was supposed to be (just lighten the weight and get more accessories and barrels out already!)
I think as far as 20 year longevity i feel depends of the ACR being adopted by a federal agency or a military branch. I've heard a rumor that Homeland security has been looking at the ACR but who knows for sure.
As far as pricing we all saw a pretty significant price drop this year with bushmaster lowering their dealer cost and msrp. I also believe the pricing would be affected by the rifle being adopted, if it is adopted and is produced is mass numbers i can see a price drop. But right now with the value of the dollar dropping, the cost of materials rising, and the possibility of certain anti-gun laws possibly being introduced i just don't think it will be dropping again anytime soon.
Who knows what future competiton will come along. The world greatest firearm may come out tommorow for all we know but it may not. The beretta does seem like a nice rifle but it's not available yet and when it will be? And how good of a gun is it in reality after all the hype?

 

[cjt50]

The ACR is a great concept. The actual rifle is good. Bushmaster made some mistakes with the initial release and the lack of caliber conversions, extra barrels and initial MSRP may be dishearting to some. Personally, I like my ACR. It has served me well so far. It has been reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot. I think in the short term, it will be around fer awhile. Acceptance by the shooting public will ultimately decide if it's going to have legs.

Take into concideration that the platform has only been out a year in the basic configuration. The firing pin recall didn't help things, and the fact that Bushmaster closed it's plant in Maine set things back a bit. I'm hoping by this time next year, we will be talking about how the caliber conversion are performing as well as some of the after market item that are availible. (Hoping)

 

[losman]

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[Uxi]

Get the caliber conversions, spare barrels/parts, and a few more accessories out (rifle length polymer, 5-sided skeletonized rail, dual-sided charging handle, PRS stock, etc) and all will be as advertised. Ultimate proliferation will depend on some sort of big contract, but even without it I expect to further support and evolution.

 

[kjsl105]

Hey welcome Fearless,

Here are my 2 cents:

Future Prices of the ACR: Whenever a new platform is released there are always those who choose to wait awhile to assure that the kinks are cleared and to possibly time a price dropped purchase. I'm one of those consumers and especially with such a change in design there's some speculation as to whether it's going to hold up to the concept Masada I've been following for years. I'm glad you mentioned the possiblity of "loss of value" for current owners. Well what's it worth to run/own one of the most advanced combat systems for yourself? If you can wait more power to you! That being said, the SR556 was introduced with a price tag that neared $2000 and is now available for about $1400-$1500 if I'm not mistaken. From the $2600 msrp the enhanced can usually be found for $1899-$2199 and believe us it's worth every penny!

Longevity: (Yeah our crystal balls will be released with our caliber conversions & barrel options ) Only time can tell, but with the ACR movement blooming it is highly doubtful that this platform will flop.

Competition/Future Development: That's all personal preference my friend. IMHO, I've been running the good old AR15 for many years and this system has well proven itself to my liking.

Good Luck!

 

[DSM]

As long as they keep putting it in video games people will want to buy one. Joking aside, I think it'll be around for awhile.

You can wait if you like but eventually you'll have to step up to the plate. Just like buying anything these days, two days later they'll release the next version of it. Unless your so-called ACRv2 only weighs 2 pounds, has no recoil, no bullet drop to 1000m, and is hand delivered by Jessica Biel I won't feel like I'm left out because I bought my rifle last year. (Though I might have to be at your house when Jessica shows up with yours...)

 

[BoovarBjarki]

Well put DSM. I am going to be buying an ACR in coyote. I went to a few local gun stores in my area and they all "just sold them last week". Horrible. I was in there handling them and everything. Now when I ask them to order me one I am told that it could be over a month wait to get it due to the plant move. So for now I am on the hunt for a coyote brown ACR enhanced.

I think these rifles will get tons of aftermarket items being made soon. Once that happens the sales of the ACR will climb.

 

[Jprizz23]

As long as they keep putting it in video games people will want to buy one. Joking aside, I think it'll be around for awhile.

Hey having the ACR in video games are half the reason i bought Homefront!

 

[bomjoon]

i know that you cannot trade in the ACR in my local gun stores... they dont want it.

i had 2 stores that said they dont want it and 2 saying they dont want to give me a price and i get mad.

they just cant sell the gun. i dont blame them. i got the rifle as an impulse buy like i always do. i do like it. i wish the rifle was about 2lbs lighter. and the short barrels out from BM already.

i am in the process of getting my barrel shortened so we will see. i know i will love it once i get it shortened. and lightned

 

[VB]

Hey having the ACR in video games are half the reason i bought Homefront!

Here is a fun little fact. The Robinson XCR was supposed to be the main gun in Homefront. The developers had the models all ready to go, but the owner Robinson never got around to signing the needed legal docs.

THQ got tired of waiting so they switched to the ACR, and the rest is history.

 

[DSM]

i know that you cannot trade in the ACR in my local gun stores... they dont want it.

i had 2 stores that said they dont want it and 2 saying they dont want to give me a price and i get mad.

they just cant sell the gun. i dont blame them. i got the rifle as an impulse buy like i always do. i do like it. i wish the rifle was about 2lbs lighter. and the short barrels out from BM already.

i am in the process of getting my barrel shortened so we will see. i know i will love it once i get it shortened. and lightned

If you want to sell it you'll have better luck selling it on gunbroker or somewhere similar. Taking it to a shop is something you do as a last resort because they are a business and have to turn a profit. At a shop you'd need to start at dealer price and haggle from there which usually means you're taking a respectable loss.

Firearms and cars have a lot in common in terms of depreciation of value once you take it off the lot, so to speak.

 

[cjt50]

Here is a fun little fact. The Robinson XCR was supposed to be the main gun in Homefront. The developers had the models all ready to go, but the owner Robinson never got around to signing the needed legal docs.

THQ got tired of waiting so they switched to the ACR, and the rest is history.

Atleast he's consistant.

Free advertizing gone, best advertizing he ever could have had.....

He really needs to hire someone to run his business.

 

[Jprizz23]

Here is a fun little fact. The Robinson XCR was supposed to be the main gun in Homefront. The developers had the models all ready to go, but the owner Robinson never got around to signing the needed legal docs.

THQ got tired of waiting so they switched to the ACR, and the rest is history.

Haha that is a fun fact to know. Now if only THQ would bring out a patch fixing the reciprocating handle on the ACR...

 

[Alien]

Here is a fun little fact. The Robinson XCR was supposed to be the main gun in Homefront. The developers had the models all ready to go, but the owner Robinson never got around to signing the needed legal docs.

THQ got tired of waiting so they switched to the ACR, and the rest is history.

They kinda fucked up the model though. The barrel is too high up and it looks like the gun has an underbarrel piston system instead (like an M1A) instead of the real ACR's overbarrel piston system. It's funny how amateur modelers often do a much better job at modeling/detailing things than the developers themselves for a COMMERCIAL product (this isn't limited to Homefront). Maybe it's different in the game, but this is what I'm referring to:

 

[fearless1]

I'm IN!

Hi Guys:

I finally got around to buying a slightly used brown Enhanced ACR this past Sat. I haven't fired it yet, just tinkering and studying it. As is my usual practice for new acquisitions, there is usually something that needs to be tuned or adjusted before taking it to the range for the first time (e.g., I'll probably clean up the trigger stroke and pull a little bit).

As for my concerns about future monetary value of the ACR, pretty much not relavent when buying something to enjoy! The worst that could happen is I'd be out only a few hundred bux in the shorter time frame if prices continue to drop. However, I'm inclined to think that prices are somewhat more on the stable side at the moment. On the other hand, if production of the ACR suddenly ceased (not likely in the near/intermediate future), ACRs value would most likely spike upwards instead of tumble.

As for the Beretta ARX160....definitely not worth the wait. Ergonomically, the ARX and the ACR appear to be very similar. However, IMO, the ARX's reciprocating/reversable charging handle is a superfluous gimmick that also adds some unecessary complexity to the gun overall. Not so obvious is the ARX more or less amorer friendly than the ACR? Most likey, about the same (although my experience with gunsmithing Beretta's in general is less than favorable). Nice thing about the ACR is it is made in the USA!

I do have some minor questions and "issues" with the ACR. I'll probably post these observations and questions in a different thread.

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[ThunderDan19]

Hey having the ACR in video games are half the reason i bought Homefront!

Here is a fun little fact. The Robinson XCR was supposed to be the main gun in Homefront. The developers had the models all ready to go, but the owner Robinson never got around to signing the needed legal docs.

THQ got tired of waiting so they switched to the ACR, and the rest is history.

The ACR is definitely hot in the video game world right now. I won't lie, I use it almost exclusively in Modern Warfare 2. In a way, that made me pick mine up a little sooner than if I weren't. Normally, I would have waited for the price to drop a bit more. Too bad they screwed up the model in Homefront. Yet another reason for me to skip that game (bad reviews of the game don't help either). Too bad for Robinson too. That kind of exposure is great publicity. When all those kids playing the games now (and generally abusing most of us old guys, unless they're smart like me ) get old enough and start looking for real firearms, the familiarity of using them in games like MW2, Homefront and SOCOM4 will make them more likely to want to check out the real thing (though I don't know if I'd want to be around when some of those kids start handling real guns...).

 

[Jprizz23]

The ACR is definitely hot in the video game world right now. I won't lie, I use it almost exclusively in Modern Warfare 2. In a way, that made me pick mine up a little sooner than if I weren't. Normally, I would have waited for the price to drop a bit more. Too bad they screwed up the model in Homefront. Yet another reason for me to skip that game (bad reviews of the game don't help either). Too bad for Robinson too. That kind of exposure is great publicity. When all those kids playing the games now (and generally abusing most of us old guys, unless they're smart like me ) get old enough and start looking for real firearms, the familiarity of using them in games like MW2, Homefront and SOCOM4 will make them more likely to want to check out the real thing (though I don't know if I'd want to be around when some of those kids start handling real guns...).

I actually really enjoyed Homefront. The only complaint i have is the short campaign and the bad ACR model. I love the multiplayer though, i havent gone back to the COD games ever since.

BUT back to to focus of the thread i think the ACR will be around for some time.

 

[Uxi]

I liked seeing it on the cover of SOCOM4