[hwill]

I have been thinking about building a sbr and had a few questions.
I'm looking at 10.5" barrels and either going to buy a complete upper or build the upper myself.
I know there is paperwork/engraving that needs to be done, but I'm not sure how the whole process is.

What is the fee for this?

If I wanted a sbr complete upper at a local shop can I just walk in and buy it?
Or is it the same as a suppressor, pay for supperssor, fill out paperwork, send in paperwork with fee, wait for paperwork to be returned and then pick it up.

I have a few good manufactures that build AR's here and think I might try something local this time. Also have a local shop that does the NFA engravings.

Thanks

 

[bigdog2003_99]

it is the same paperwork as a suppressor, and a machine gun for the matter (for a transfer)

if you build a sbr you form 1 it, and submit the same extra paperwork as the form 4 (transfer) the biggest difference is on a form 1 you determine length, caliber, oal... whereas on a form 4 you buy a predetermined setup, if its a sbr ar15 you can swap uppers as you want and it would be ok as long as the modification is not permanent

 

[DSM]

You also might want to ask your local Class III if they have any factory registered SBR lowers (assuming you're talking AR's) because then they would have only the factory marking on them. If you Form 1 it you'll have to put your name, or trust name, on the firearm. A Form 4 would have the SOT info on it.

I did the Form 1 route for mine. And in regards to the ACR I engraved it at the SOT's shop the day I picked it up.

 

[bigdog2003_99]

I am also not familiar with what needs to be done here... Just trying to wrap my head around this so bear with me....

Are you saying if I buy a replacement barrel as an sbr, I don't have to do the paperwork because its not permanent ? Cause I plan on keeping the original length barrel.
Now If I want to add a suppressor to my sbr - I will have to do a whole new set of paperwork for that addition as well ? so 2 form 1's or can/does the suppressor piggyback on the sbr form....

if you register for say 10.5, you store it in your safe with the 10.5 thats all that matters, you can add a 12 inch barrel temporarily and its no big deal, from what i understand (i'm no lawyer) you can send a letter to atf notifying them if you would like to change your barrel length/oal if it is permanent
you generally do a suppressor on a form 4, most people just buy a suppressor instead of manufacturing one, my acr is a 2 stamp gun, 1 sbr and 1 suppressor, you can go down to 1 stamp for a suppressor if its permanently welded on and over 16" for the barrel

What is the thought of setting up a trust for...? in case it gets stolen ?

i think its to speed up transfers and also make it possible for multiple people to possess nfa items at the same time, mine are all individual but from now on i will be doing trust's for my new toys

What info do you have to engrave....?

on individual you need to engrave your name, city and state i.e.
j. smith (depending on your examiner they might require your first name)
columbus, ohio

trust is the name of the trust and city, state
Umbrella Corporation
Chicago, Ill


Sorry for the likely obvious questions you guys already have learned...

apparently if you quote someone and answer their questions inside the quote it dosnt count for your 10 characters minimum

 

[Warpdrv]

Thanks bigdog - I felt STOOPID asking those questions and started googling sbr and form1 and trusts - so I deleted my post, but this is great.....
As always you have been very helpful for the feeble minded such as myself.... LOL


From my searches - I found if your registering with the ATF - you should just list all the barrel lengths at that time, that way you can swap out barrels on the fly at any time....
obviously the can will be a different story... If your going this route with SBR and or CAN - engraving the gun will certainly spoil the resale of said product - turns it into a keep it for life product...

Found a few good links on the subject.... so apparently google is your friend...

http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/NFA-Gun-Trust-f316.html

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trust+for+an+sbr

 

[bigdog2003_99]

^^ the problem with registering all the calibers/lengths with atf is sometimes they dont approve your app and make you fix it, other times its ok, so its kind of a how they are feeling at that moment

also if you were to sell your sbr'd rifle, if you reconfigure it to a non sbr status like adding a 16" upper you can sell it like a normal rifle

 

[DSM]

^^ the problem with registering all the calibers/lengths with atf is sometimes they dont approve your app and make you fix it, other times its ok, so its kind of a how they are feeling at that moment

I try to keep the forms simple and post the info that is necessary since temporary mods are OK. My last Form 1 the examiner was real cool when I had forgot to include my citizenship declaration form, instead of sending a letter of disagreement to fix it he called me at the house and told me to mail it in. He said it'd go out in that week's batch if I got it to him in the next couple days so I had that sucker express mailed!

As for re-sale, I mentioned it before but if you can get a factory registered SBR it will have only factory engravings. Those tend to keep a little more value so folks are more willing to pay for them in regards to a re-sale. But, it's still the same receiver as the next one so it's really up to you.

 

[Warpdrv]

Thanks guys for clarifying some of the misconceptions....

 

[SperlingPE]

I don't mind the engraving on some guns. But on my SBR AR, I went factory.
Colt 6921 14" barrel
If you would like shorter, there are used Colt 6933's for under $1200

 

[SGT220]

As far as barrel length goes, there is nothing wrong with putting a smaller overall lenght on your forms, say at the time of fileing your going to purchase a 7" bbl, and decide to put something else on, it doesnt matter once the "item" is approved, its registred as a sbr,(and therefore an NFA-item of which implies that the barrell is(or going to be) shorter than that which would be considered "legal" in some political jurisdictions(but not under the NFA act)....

The same goes for items registered as "machine guns" once they are registered/manufactured/converted ( under the NFA act) as such, it doesnt matter what bbl length, or even what mode of fire they are capable of, as they are registred as a "maching gun", its implied that they are either full auto...burst or some variant there of.
I personally have never put any bbl length longer than that which i think will be the absolute shortest i might want to install/put on that NFA-item, at a later date.... but on the same note i have had forms returned to me for a change of "calibers"reasons, ... and as far as that goes pretty much the rule of thumb is two calibers( ie: 5.56/6.8spc) will get through, but three might have the chance of getting sent back, as one i did a few years back which was( 5.56/6.8spc/9mm) on a sbr ar platform... hope that helps...