Rock River Arms PDS 5.56
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The real question is "what is the pistol going to use for the most ? " hunting, shooting paper, home def., conceled carry? then I can answer your poll.
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I emailed RR about a possible 6.8SPC version (I would want it as a pack gun for hiking in bear country) and they said they had no plans for one.
There's little doubt that a .45 or .40 can do more damage than a standard 9mm, but it's the gun you're most effective with regardless of caliber.
Dane D from Sig Sauer told me a story once about some "expert" giving a pistol class and basically telling everyone if you ain't carrying a .45 you ain't serious about protecting yourself. He kept going on and on about how weak and ineffective the 9mm was when the guy next to Dane said, (In an Aussie accent) "Have you ever killed anyone with a pistol?" The instructor looked uncertain and said no. The Aussie said, "Well I have, and the 9mm does just fine for that."
I vote for the caliber that suits you the best for it's intended purpose.
There's little doubt that a .45 or .40 can do more damage than a standard 9mm, but it's the gun you're most effective with regardless of caliber.
Dane D from Sig Sauer told me a story once about some "expert" giving a pistol class and basically telling everyone if you ain't carrying a .45 you ain't serious about protecting yourself. He kept going on and on about how weak and ineffective the 9mm was when the guy next to Dane said, (In an Aussie accent) "Have you ever killed anyone with a pistol?" The instructor looked uncertain and said no. The Aussie said, "Well I have, and the 9mm does just fine for that."
I vote for the caliber that suits you the best for it's intended purpose.
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i agree with Francis, when it boils down to it, it is shot placement that is key
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the larger the caliber, shot placement is less critical, unless its a bear.
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Shoulder...elbow...earlobe...
I know a guy who gunned down four insurgents when they opened up on him, fragging his MK18, and shooting the number 2 guy in the back of the head. They thought he (#1 guy) was dead and went to rush by him. He killed them all with his P226.
I agree to a point, but again it's how proficient you are with the gun.
I know a guy who gunned down four insurgents when they opened up on him, fragging his MK18, and shooting the number 2 guy in the back of the head. They thought he (#1 guy) was dead and went to rush by him. He killed them all with his P226.
I agree to a point, but again it's how proficient you are with the gun.
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I was talking with my gun store manager and he was telling my the nine got a bad rep.from the military partially because they use lighter bullets in low quality ammo. I believe the military switched to the nine because it holds more rounds than the 1911. My issue m9 is a shot out pos and it may do more damage ifi through it at someone. But I am becoming partial to it. I would love a 1911 though. The. 45 acp seems to be the caliber of choice. A good bush gun? What about those knew that take pistol caliber all.g with the .410?
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U.S military went 9 m.m. to be in compliance withh our NATO partners they dont do 45 9mm ammo is available world wide (and no I have not killed anyone with a handgun or any gun for that matter) but it seems to me if I put say 6 to 10 bullets in a person it should work! have had several 45 guys tell me it takes 230 grains of lead to get the job done, 1 45 or 2 9mm either way !
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Which ever ammo recoils the least for this gun would be my guess. A 5.56 or a .223 round should have enough velocity to plenty of damage out of an 8" bbl. Shot placement and especially for this gun, the ability to get back on target quickly for follow up shots might be a challenge. I shoot a s&w m&p 15-22 P in the local gun matches often and I find it to be my most challenging gun to shoot fast and accuratly.
A vertical grip would go a long way in as far as recoil mang. is concerned..........too bad BATFE won't let ya do that!
A vertical grip would go a long way in as far as recoil mang. is concerned..........too bad BATFE won't let ya do that!
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I would have rolled on the floor laughing after this statement, hahahahahaha.
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A buddy of mine was an armorer for the 1/10th "C" SF guys. He told me he knew a guy that was shot numerous times (I believe he said at least 8) with a .45 SMG and the guy was sitting down smoking a cigarette waiting for the paramedics.
Shot placement regardless of caliber. You can have your arm blown off with a .50cal RAUFOSS and live, or get shot in the cerebral cortex by a 9mm and die.
Shot placement regardless of caliber. You can have your arm blown off with a .50cal RAUFOSS and live, or get shot in the cerebral cortex by a 9mm and die.
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I agree with shot placement. I carry 9mm for everything, and that includes bear country. Made the paper when local killed a charging bear with his Glock 19. Can and has been done. Some may not want to roll the dice, but for me trying to shoot a .44 or Smith .500, just isn't realistic. I use a 9mm 1911.
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I will say this, if I was knowingly going into bear country, I'd probably want to carry a Draco or other rifle caliber semi-auto.
Not saying you couldn't put one down with a 9mm, just saying a bear has totally different physiology than a human, and I'd be so scared shitless I'd probably dump an entire mag into his earlobe. (If bears had earlobes.)
Not saying you couldn't put one down with a 9mm, just saying a bear has totally different physiology than a human, and I'd be so scared shitless I'd probably dump an entire mag into his earlobe. (If bears had earlobes.)
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HAHAHAHAHHAHA, Actually, my local SOT, is doing a mini draco SBR auto for bear defense with norinco steel core. Anti Brownie gun.
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LMAO. You may dump a mag and your pants at the same time. Lol.
It's not only about shot placement but also the VOLUME of shots made accurately and quickly. A 9mm does that better than a .45. I just split the difference with a .40 and call it a day. That's just me.
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