[johnny smithsonian]

...hey guys just wondering why magpul hasn't said much about the ACR since bushmaster and remington took over production...isn't the ACR their baby?...as far as accessories and modifications like the scar selector and BAD lever are concerned, magpul does pretty good with innovation...if they didn't try to have a little fun with the ACR it wouldn't be right...have you guys heard anything or do did they give up full custody?...

 

[r0ckpyth0n]

im certain there are agreements and contracts between the current asset owners of the ACR that keep magpul from saying too much, if anything. Non Discloure agreements (NDA's), specifically.

They did, however, have quite a bit to say at SHOT show about the masada and future revisions.

 

[Alien]

They did, however, have quite a bit to say at SHOT show about the masada and future revisions.

Liiiiiiiiiiiiike????

 

[r0ckpyth0n]

They did show off a concept lower receiver mag well for 7.62x39mm for future masada release, though they seemed pretty suggestive it was for military use only. Commerical 7.62x39mm appears we will get to use the 7.62 AR mags fro cproducts when the 7.62 coversion releases.

I think that was from SHOT show, just watched a video about it a couple days ago. someone also said they have a masada "heavy" version [i'd assume .308/7.62x51), but no time of release, and i don't remember who said that.

 

[Tackleberry23]

I think that was from SHOT show, just watched a video about it a couple days ago. someone also said they have a masada "heavy" version [i'd assume .308/7.62x51), but no time of release, and i don't remember who said that.

That would be the prototype developed by Magpul known as the Massoud. Its supposed to be a caliber adaptive "heavy" rifle for .300 calibers like .308. Calguns has a thread with all the photos and videos.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=120936

 

[r0ckpyth0n]

very good find! thanks tackleberry!!

I beleive off camera they also discussed 1:7 barrel revisions, possible dual stage trigger updates, and some short barrel stuff too at SHOW. Oh, and they showed more about the 6.8spc. Heard this from a buddies dad who actually attended... whether they were just questions being asked and answered, or a topic they spoke directly about, i dunno.

 

[Uxi]

I'm most interested in:

1) 6.8SPC II conversion
2) PRS stock
3) Polymer lower receiver with detachable grip

Magpul can only do two of those

 

[VB]

The fact that the ACR is never seen in a Magpul Dynamics can only make one wonder...

 

[Alien]

The fact that the ACR is never seen in a Magpul Dynamics can only make one wonder...

Personal preference is just that, personal preference. Perhaps they continue to use the AR-15 platform because they are simply so familiar with it. It isn't perfect though. It just has two major things going for it, that being the plethora of parts and accessories available for preference/customization and the relatively light weight. They also like M&Ps and 1911s, where MANY people would prefer to use something different, be it a Glock, HK, SIG, etc. That doesn't mean any platform that they don't use in their videos is inferior in some way.

 

[DSM]

The ACR wasn't really available when they filmed those videos either. Not in appreciable numbers anyways. The marketing machine that is Magpul will probably come out with an ACR specific MD course soon I'd reckon though. They have to come up with proprietary moves first.

 

[Vesarius]

You mean like this? Also it looks like the second shooter didn't pay attention to the part of the class where they go over the forward hand grip.

Also, even if they had the ACR to market at the time of the filming of the DVDs, the wait list and scheduling for the classes is such that the people in the classes had more than likely made preparations for the classes way in advance, and more than likely didn't own one at the time of registration.

Then there is the fact that most people who own ACR's had to sell their souls in order to be able to afford one(myself included) and don't have anything of value left to trade for a seat in the course.

 

[bigdog2003_99]

The fact that the ACR is never seen in a Magpul Dynamics can only make one wonder...

theres a black acr in one of the aottc videos, cant remember if its 1 or 2
i didnt have to sell my soul for an acr, just a hk 416... which basically is the same thing lol

 

[SDDuc996]

I own your soul dana!!!!

 

[johnny smithsonian]

...yea i agree with VB3...sure it wasn't out yet when the vids were made but there is a lot of after acr footage by class takers but no acr...i guess if your teaching a carbine course and 1 in a 1000 people own an acr you gotta go with what they're using...usually AR's....are they just going with what they're comfortable with using?...i don't buy that cause the acr is based off of everything they teach and added to their AR's...like the bad lever for speed, ambi controls for malfunctions and switching shoulders, forward charging handle to compliment how they teach to hold close to the muzzle instead of a mag grip...and a built in single point mount...it's like a travis machine...but like VB3 says...makes you wonder...

 

[VB]

Personal preference is just that, personal preference. Perhaps they continue to use the AR-15 platform because they are simply so familiar with it. It isn't perfect though. It just has two major things going for it, that being the plethora of parts and accessories available for preference/customization and the relatively light weight. They also like M&Ps and 1911s, where MANY people would prefer to use something different, be it a Glock, HK, SIG, etc. That doesn't mean any platform that they don't use in their videos is inferior in some way.

That's one way to see it. I've been to a class for Colt, and they used Colts. Whenever KAC does shoots, all you see are KAC's. SIG's are run in SIG's classes.

Magpul runs their accessories swag, but the ACR is MIA. Doubly odd considering what was said about the ACR vs the AR15 on Future Weapons by Costa and company.

If that doesn't make one wonder, I don't know what will.

 

[Alien]

That's one way to see it. I've been to a class for Colt, and they used Colts. Whenever KAC does shoots, all you see are KAC's. SIG's are run in SIG's classes.

Magpul runs their accessories swag, but the ACR is MIA. Doubly odd considering what was said about the ACR vs the AR15 on Future Weapons by Costa and company.

If that doesn't make one wonder, I don't know what will.

From what I understand, Magpul Dynamics does not = Magpul Industries. Though owned by them, they are not the same entity. They are a subsidiary and run things how they want. I can't think of a single disadvantage, other than slightly heavier weight (which is mitigated somewhat with a LW 14.5" barrel), that would cause them to want to neglect it. Nearly every other weapon system on the planet that is comparable to the AR-15 platform weighs more though.

 

[VB]

From what I understand, Magpul Dynamics does not = Magpul Industries. Though owned by them, they are not the same entity. They are a subsidiary and run things how they want. I can't think of a single disadvantage, other than slightly heavier weight (which is mitigated somewhat with a LW 14.5" barrel), that would cause them to want to neglect it. Nearly every other weapon system on the planet that is comparable to the AR-15 platform weighs more though.

Even so, if you are going to say you've created a better mousetrap, than it would be bizarre not to use said mousetrap if for no reason other than proving your point.

 

[johnny smithsonian]

Even so, if you are going to say you've created a better mousetrap, than it would be bizarre not to use said mousetrap if for no reason other than proving your point.

amen...no excuse...come to think about it, wouldn't it be a major advertisement boost if they did use an acr on a video...everything else they shoot or review gets bought by everyone who watches...like those raven holsters and bladetech mag pouches...the raven company even offered a "magpul" cut...
...but if they did sell the acr's soul to bushmaster that could be one reason why they don't feature it...not likely IMO...

 

[DSM]

Give 'em a little time I says. They need to show to LE and .mil/.gov that their rifle is super duper and Magpul Dynamics is something that FN, Colt, or anyone else don't have. Johnny has got it right, one video would probably increase sales by at least a 1/3. I don't think this is something that is lost on them.

I'd be willing to bet that a small portion of any video will be a direct comparison to an AR (and maybe SCAR) to show how much faster specific drills can be accomplished as a sort of not so subtle poke.

 

[JasonM]

Personal preference is just that, personal preference. Perhaps they continue to use the AR-15 platform because they are simply so familiar with it. It isn't perfect though. It just has two major things going for it, that being the plethora of parts and accessories available for preference/customization and the relatively light weight. They also like M&Ps and 1911s, where MANY people would prefer to use something different, be it a Glock, HK, SIG, etc. That doesn't mean any platform that they don't use in their videos is inferior in some way.

The biggest factor there is actually who will sponsor them. ie- give them free stuff. For all intents and purposes, the ACR is Bushmaster and Remington's gun. KAC gives Costa good stuff, BCM used to give Travis good stuff, and that's what they used. Business trumps true personal preference in any case.