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Nice. I am debating on optics. (Eotech, Aimpoint, Trijicon) Would you say the ACOG was worth the money? I guess once you spend for the 3x magnifier and mounts it's not too much less than an ACOG. I like sights with a little zoom to them but some of those ACOGs are worth more than the gun.

Which reticle did you go with? is the "Marine" ACOG the traditional chevron reticle? I have been researching them, by stats I like the horseshoe reticle.
 

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Honestly I got a very good price on mine. If you go to the website a usmc m4 type optic (4.5x zoom) has a chevron and runs about 1500. I got mine for about 1250, and mine came with the front protector. I love ACOGs for acouple reasons, but if you do not like optics with zooms than a eotech with the flip magnifier might be better for you. Both are good and both are going to end up being around $1000.00
 

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Try going to Magpul.com. They have Polymer Rail Sections that can be inserted in the basics handguard. You might be able to buy the enhanced handguard ( I dont know NJ law) from bushmaster since they're interchangeable. The Rails from Magpul are not that much money and neither is the grip. Trust the company that did most of the work designing the gun lol.
 

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i had an acog on my acr for a while, it's a good combo, i'm just not as fast with it as i am with a dot optic
I understand where your coming from. I love shooting from far distance, but i found shooting with both eyes open can help with shorter distant shots.
 

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The ACOG with the BAC system (like the Marine issued TA31RCO ACOG) allow two eyes open close combat sighting. With a little practice, the BAC technique works fine for close distance. The Marines would not use it if it only worked at long distances. Forums are full of people who have never used or seen a BAC 4x32 ACOG, yet pronounce it unfit for CQB.
 

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the bac is very good, i like it alot, most likely i will get another soon, been looking at the ta31h, the acogs the army uses are junk, no illumination makes it hard to shoot at black targets (zero targets mostly)
 

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The ACOG with the BAC system (like the Marine issued TA31RCO ACOG) allow two eyes open close combat sighting. With a little practice, the BAC technique works fine for close distance. The Marines would not use it if it only worked at long distances. Forums are full of people who have never used or seen a BAC 4x32 ACOG, yet pronounce it unfit for CQB.
That is a great overview of the optic, and exactly how it works. If used right the sight will work the same minus the magnification. Its really cool.
 

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I think one needs to consider a few things before buying an optic. I use my rifles for zombie scenarios. If I ever need to use my rifle to defend myself as a civilian, then I am not going to need a 3x - 4x magnification. In my opinion, I cannot think of a situation that I as a civilian would be in, in which I would have to engage a target greater than 100m. The only time I think I would have to do that was if I was on open ground with no way to leave the area quickly. I live in heavily wooded areas. Perhaps if I lived in a desert like area such as Utah, Nevada etc. I could justify a magnified optic. But even still, I wouldn't opt for a full time magnification.

In the military I could see the justification in that they play an offensive role and try to hold or take ground. Not me. If it ain't my house, I am leaving the scene.

I also can see why the .mil has included the RDMS on the Trijicon for close in combat.

In my opinion, with FTS magnifiers, it is hard to beat a Red Dot. Especially given the battery life of some optics like the AimPoints. Granted the Trijicon illumination outlives any battery, but I would love to see a trijicon red dot with a similar size and build of the T1. Man, if Trijicon could basically build a T1 and incorporate their technology into a T1. That would be the best of both worlds in my view.
 

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I live on a farm with open pastures. I want to use my ACR as a a fox/groundhog/coyote gun. My average shot is around 100m +. I was thinking of getting an acog 6x48 and mounting a T1 on top of the picatinny rail of the scope. I know it would way a ton but I don't carry it around all day. Would that look/feel awkward?


 

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I live on a farm with open pastures. I want to use my ACR as a a fox/groundhog/coyote gun. My average shot is around 100m +. I was thinking of getting an acog 6x48 and mounting a T1 on top of the picatinny rail of the scope. I know it would way a ton but I don't carry it around all day. Would that look/feel awkward?


The 6x zoom is great for 100 m out, but you need to ask yourself if that's all your ever going to use it for. I live on a produce farm so I shoot between 50 yards to 500 yards. My ACOG has the BAC system which allows you to aim without the magnification. Just make sure your only going to use it for long distance.
 

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The 6x zoom is great for 100 m out, but you need to ask yourself if that's all your ever going to use it for. I live on a produce farm so I shoot between 50 yards to 500 yards. My ACOG has the BAC system which allows you to aim without the magnification. Just make sure your only going to use it for long distance.
Are you saying don't bother with the T1 or the TA648 is great for 50 to 500 yards?
 

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Having seen one of those in the flesh, I can tell you it's big and heavy. But built like a tank. Very nice glass, but very pricey as well.
 

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I think one needs to consider a few things before buying an optic. I use my rifles for zombie scenarios. If I ever need to use my rifle to defend myself as a civilian, then I am not going to need a 3x - 4x magnification. In my opinion, I cannot think of a situation that I as a civilian would be in, in which I would have to engage a target greater than 100m. The only time I think I would have to do that was if I was on open ground with no way to leave the area quickly. I live in heavily wooded areas. Perhaps if I lived in a desert like area such as Utah, Nevada etc. I could justify a magnified optic. But even still, I wouldn't opt for a full time magnification.

In the military I could see the justification in that they play an offensive role and try to hold or take ground. Not me. If it ain't my house, I am leaving the scene.

I also can see why the .mil has included the RDMS on the Trijicon for close in combat.

In my opinion, with FTS magnifiers, it is hard to beat a Red Dot. Especially given the battery life of some optics like the AimPoints. Granted the Trijicon illumination outlives any battery, but I would love to see a trijicon red dot with a similar size and build of the T1. Man, if Trijicon could basically build a T1 and incorporate their technology into a T1. That would be the best of both worlds in my view.
have you had any experience with Elcan optics? I know they're heavy ...a round 1 Lb.
http://elcansightingsystems.com/Specter_Family_of_Sights/Dual_Role_Sights/SpecterDR_1x-4x.php
 

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Yes I have. When I was in the Navy. Those things are great except they are bricks. I think Trijicon tried to do the same thing I suggested, but again it is heavy and battery life is horrific.

Here is my perfect optic:

Reticle of the EoTech A65/1MOA
T1 size and weight
AimPoint battery life >50,000 hrs
Trijicon Fiber Optic and Tritium technology.

So during the day time and in bright snowy/sand conditions, you could use the battery to increase the brightness of the reticle otherwise the fiber optics would provide enough light, and then the tritium during the night, etc. Utilizing the battery only when you need to in order to increase the brightness, that 50,000 hours would be doubled at least. You would never need to replace the battery. The lightweight benefit of the T1 and the reticle of the popular EOTech A65 and you have arguably the best damn optic ever.
 

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nice wish list...i think the problem is that all these companies are too committed to their own design. I was all excited about getting an ACOG until I found out that they charge another $500 to recharge the tritium ... I rather buy extra batteries
 
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