Bushmaster ACR or Remington ACR
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Good question. As far as I can tell there is no real difference. Bushmaster had it first then got bought out by Remington (Cerberus) and now Remington has it. You will not see Bushmaster adds anyymore for the ACR, but instead you will see Remington adds. I could be wrong, but I think Remington is going for some kind of Mil contract and wants to use the ACR and their new sniper rifle.
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So it's going to be rollmarked and marketed as Remington but actually built by Bushmaster, like the R-15s?
I'd like a remington for no other reason than I dont own a remington. I've honestly never had a problem with bushmaster and would have no problem if it came from them though. Remington LE rep told me last month that LE rifles would be Bushmaster but I've gotten crossed signals from them before so we'll see.
I dont think we have much of an option but to buy bushy. Last time I checked they were taking care of the civilian market while remington did military. Either way if we had an option I'd go with bushi, had several of their ARs and no problems yet. Remington has its name going for it, expect to drop $500 more for that. lol.
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Remington..........not to hip on Bushmaster. Why, as an armorer at my agency i have about 14 reasons. But i may have to suck it up and buy a Bushy........although I will try every trick in the boot to get an LE Remington if i can.
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You know, if they give individual officers some kind of discount, then yes I may just jump withh remington. Man if only I could carry this on duty instead of my AR!
Remington..........not to hip on Bushmaster. Why, as an armorer at my agency i have about 14 reasons. But i may have to suck it up and buy a Bushy........although I will try every trick in the boot to get an LE Remington if i can.
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You know, if they give individual officers some kind of discount, then yes I may just jump withh remington. Man if only I could carry this on duty instead of my AR!
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I do believe that it will be distributed through BM and called the BM ACR. But I could be wrong.
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Bet, your right. Don't see them running 2 separate assembly lines unless a large government contract emerges.
I do believe that it will be distributed through BM and called the BM ACR. But I could be wrong.
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Bet, your right. Don't see them running 2 separate assembly lines unless a large government contract emerges.
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Good question/topic. I would prefer to see Remington on the side of my ACR vs. a rather large snake with big lips.
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Guess it wont matter... Remington rep at their SHOT show booth told me today that Bushmaster will handle the semi autos destined for civilian/LE market, whilst Remington will build the select fire version. I pressed a bit but he was certain this to be the case.
The only choice here is really Bushmaster.
Unless you are BigArmy or BigLE.
I spoke with about 7-8 folks at SHOT from BM, RemMPD and Freedom Group.
BM will sell to the .civ and LE markets and RemMPD will sell to the military.
The guns are made at the same North Texas production line. Rem and BM are the same gun except for the name and setup ( handguards, semi vs full).
RemMPD will make guns with their mark for departmental orders if the LE agency specifies RemMPD.
What I really want are some of those Rem modular handguards, They are sharp.
And just sit back and enjoy the journey, there are many future options coming from BM and Magpul.
It's pretty cool to be around at the beginning of a new system. I'm looking forward to the next few years.
J
Unless you are BigArmy or BigLE.
I spoke with about 7-8 folks at SHOT from BM, RemMPD and Freedom Group.
BM will sell to the .civ and LE markets and RemMPD will sell to the military.
The guns are made at the same North Texas production line. Rem and BM are the same gun except for the name and setup ( handguards, semi vs full).
RemMPD will make guns with their mark for departmental orders if the LE agency specifies RemMPD.
What I really want are some of those Rem modular handguards, They are sharp.
And just sit back and enjoy the journey, there are many future options coming from BM and Magpul.
It's pretty cool to be around at the beginning of a new system. I'm looking forward to the next few years.
J
I sure hope that the diference between the two go beyond the handguard and select fire. for starters, I dont know how the military feels about a 1 in 9" twist barrel. Me being local PD, 1 in 9" is more than enough for the rounds we use. The military is a different story, they need the 1 in 7" to stabilize heavier rounds out of the 14" and 16" barrels. Go beyond the 77gr stuff and you start to see major drops in ballistic performance. Even the 62gr penetrators prefer the 1 in 7 over the 1 in 9, though the difference is minimal at 0-200 yards, you start to notice it pass the 200 yard line mark.
Well this shouldnt be a big deal, arent they using a regular M4 barrel anyways? there are plenty of 1 in 7" barrels out there they can stick on it. Heck if thats the case I will be buying me one and sticking it on there.
Well this shouldnt be a big deal, arent they using a regular M4 barrel anyways? there are plenty of 1 in 7" barrels out there they can stick on it. Heck if thats the case I will be buying me one and sticking it on there.
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I sure hope that the diference between the two go beyond the handguard and select fire. for starters, I dont know how the military feels about a 1 in 9" twist barrel. Me being local PD, 1 in 9" is more than enough for the rounds we use. The military is a different story, they need the 1 in 7" to stabilize heavier rounds out of the 14" and 16" barrels. Go beyond the 77gr stuff and you start to see major drops in ballistic performance. Even the 62gr penetrators prefer the 1 in 7 over the 1 in 9, though the difference is minimal at 0-200 yards, you start to notice it pass the 200 yard line mark.
Well this shouldnt be a big deal, arent they using a regular M4 barrel anyways? there are plenty of 1 in 7" barrels out there they can stick on it. Heck if thats the case I will be buying me one and sticking it on there.
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I do not see how they could use standard M4 barrels given the design of the QD feature. If they are using M4 barrles, then they are using proprietary extensions. Either way, you will have to have a barrel design and made for the ACR.
I sure hope that the diference between the two go beyond the handguard and select fire. for starters, I dont know how the military feels about a 1 in 9" twist barrel. Me being local PD, 1 in 9" is more than enough for the rounds we use. The military is a different story, they need the 1 in 7" to stabilize heavier rounds out of the 14" and 16" barrels. Go beyond the 77gr stuff and you start to see major drops in ballistic performance. Even the 62gr penetrators prefer the 1 in 7 over the 1 in 9, though the difference is minimal at 0-200 yards, you start to notice it pass the 200 yard line mark.
Well this shouldnt be a big deal, arent they using a regular M4 barrel anyways? there are plenty of 1 in 7" barrels out there they can stick on it. Heck if thats the case I will be buying me one and sticking it on there.
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I do not see how they could use standard M4 barrels given the design of the QD feature. If they are using M4 barrles, then they are using proprietary extensions. Either way, you will have to have a barrel design and made for the ACR.
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