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Biggest political scandal in our lifetime: Project Fast & Furious Gunwalker/Gunrunner

Write your congressman, write your senator, write your local newspaper and news channel.

Do not let them sweep this under the rug.

Very simply, the ATF ordered agents to stand down and have weapons go across the border into that fucking shit hole called Mexico. Those same guns came back across the border and killed American Border Patrol agent Brian Wells, and lord knows how many other Americans.

Every time you hear some shit stain politician complain about American guns in Mexico, you remember, and remind them that the USA DOJ and ATF are intentionally arming cartels and illegals for the sole purpose of shitting on American constitutional rights. They arm our enemies as ammunition to disarm us.

Thankfully there was a whistle-blower, but imagine if there wasn't. The ATF and Hillary Clinton would have been all over the news saying that Brian Wells was killed because of a Straw Purchase, or Gun Show loophole.

Read it all here: http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Reports/ATF_Report.pdf

In the fall of 2009, the Department of Justice (DOJ) developed a risky new strategy to
combat gun trafficking along the Southwest Border. The new strategy directed federal law
enforcement to shift its focus away from seizing firearms from criminals as soon as possible—
and to focus instead on identifying members of trafficking networks. The Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) implemented that strategy using a reckless
investigative technique that street agents call “gunwalking.” ATF’s Phoenix Field Division
began allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns. The purpose was to wait
and watch, in the hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking
network and build a large, complex conspiracy case.

This shift in strategy was known and authorized at the highest levels of the Justice
Department. Through both the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona and “Main Justice,”
headquarters in Washington, D.C., the Department closely monitored and supervised the
activities of the ATF. The Phoenix Field Division established a Gun Trafficking group, called
Group VII, to focus on firearms trafficking. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking
tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department’s strategy. The case was soon
renamed “Operation Fast and Furious,” and expanded dramatically. It received approval for
Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) funding on January 26, 2010. ATF
led a strike force comprised of agents from ATF, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA),
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and the
Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The operation’s goal was to establish a nexus between straw
purchasers of assault-style weapons in the United States and Mexican drug-trafficking
organizations (DTOs) operating on both sides of the United States-Mexico border. Straw
purchasers are individuals who are legally entitled to purchase firearms for themselves, but who
unlawfully purchase weapons with the intent to transfer them into the hands of DTOs or other
criminals.
A fine example of the ATF's handy work: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ATF-guns-fastandfurious/2011/07/01/id/402216

Weapons linked to the federal government’s controversial “Fast and Furious” gun-running sting have turned up at four crime scenes in Arizona in the communities of Glendale and Phoenix. The four guns are connected to drug cases in Phoenix and Glendale, Phoenix television station ABC 15 reported.

“Fast and Furious” backfired with deadly results, prompting calls for shake-ups at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and in the Justice Department. Under the program, ATF agents allowed weapons to flow across the border in a scheme targeting Mexican drug cartels.


Read more on Newsmax.com: More Guns From ATF's 'Fast and Furious' Used in Crimes
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"They" are trying to build a case to have all UN signatories get on board with the UN small arms treaty. It's a shame of epic proportions and will leed to a unified world gov't. In the world's current state of affairs it will NOT work. Just use the USA as an example. The states are empowered, (for the most part) to govern there little areas, supposedly knowing what is good for that local. Some rules and law for the state of NH will not neccesarily work for LA or AR. The US gov't was only designed to help the states play nice with each other, enforce the consitution of the US and a unified voice for the states when it comes to international treaties and defense.

Today, that line has been blurred, (between states rights to govern and what the Fed gov't is supposed to do), anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm starting to ramble

But yes I agree, write, call, email or do what every it is to communicate how you feel about the OP's post. Bottom line, pay attention and speak / write you opinion on all issues. Don't let the very vocal minority make decisions for you.

(stepping off the soap box)
 

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Batf is uslees and so is the un.come and take them!!
 

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Thank goodness for the whistle blower. It was probably a tough decision for him/her, but it needed done. I couldn't believe when I read this. The administration of the BATF is in the crapper, it seems. The head that made the call was only the "acting" director. Now it goes to another field SSA. At least it seems that the boots on the ground are still cops at heart with some loyalty to their fellow brothers. Sad, though, that an officer had to loose his life over it. The focus of the operation was good, but it was poorly directed. Try try again.
 

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How high do you think it goes? Both Barry and Hillary were spouting the same nonsense about the percentage of US weapons found in Mexico, after all... Doesn't look like Melson wants to be the fall guy, so will the buck get to Holder or all the way to the top?
 

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As I understand it Holder, it has been uncovered over the weekend to have lied to congress about when he knew. as I'm pretty sure he knew from the beginning.
 

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All wars are the same war, and all stories are really one big story. The BATFE ran guns into Mexico because they needed it to be true that Mexican criminals get guns from the USA. They needed this to be true because they had new rules they wanted to implement (search for "reporting sales of multiple rifles") and the American gun running theory was being shown to be false, after it had been claimed to be true. It was originally claimed to be true because other excuses for gun control were failing to capture public belief. They were failing because gun ownership for self defense purposes was expanding without a correlating rise in gun crime or violence. Guns for self defense were becoming more numerous because interpretations of the 2nd Amendment were changing in courts. Those changes began with the Clarence Thomas appointment to SCOTUS by HW in 1991.

And Chuck Norris. It's all related.
 

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I love the fact that the election of Barack H. Obama as POTUS has led to the biggest expansion of gun ownership in recent history... and that crime is down because of (libs would say despite) it... :D
 

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Seconded, Dan. That's what tells me Europe is not going to happen over here. The Obama phenomenon represents the most socialist movement in American history, but it doesn't represent the movement of the people toward European-style dependency. Rather, it has inspired them to pull in the other direction. Ground has been taken BACK, on the gun front and others, which I never thought would be possible. The populace remains, at its heart, unruly and independent. America even at her weakest will remain uniquely American.
 

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I'd like to agree but you have big parts of even nominally conservative voters who enjoy the socialist-at-heart programs like Social Security and Medicare and the flailing public schools in every urban/metro area. What was the saying? "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
 

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Without trying to sound apocalyptic, I agree with you, Uxi. The US must come to an end, and its end will be a gruesome deterioration under experiments with liberalism. That process is in progress and in a way ever has been. But though it will fail, the raw material left behind will still be unique in its American qualities. In short, when England falls apart, you get the riots. When America falls apart, you'll get riots in a few big cities, but the majority of US territory will transition peacefully to a maximum point blank range form of government. Think about it. Even Chicago is tottering on the edge of arming its citizens. Chicago.

This Republic is as doomed as any other mortal endeavour, and the unproductive dependents will, as they are sluffed off, bite and scratch at the remainder, as they have done in Greece and England. However, in Europe, that remainder was just as disarmed and passive as, and only mildly more productive than, the rioting indigents. In America, the rioters will find themselves with little purchase for their violence on a survivor population which is heavily armed and willing to meet violence with outright warfare. Consider, if you will, what will become of the inner city gang-banger "problem" if and when the greater populace of the US, men like yourselves, riflemen with rifles, realize en mass that a government-based solution is no longer available. Such problems can exist only in enclaves of liberalism that provide them a nurturing environment. Absent that protection, against Middle America it wouldn't even be much of a fight.

There will be a great contrast between the aftermaths of the two collapses, Europe's and ours. With luck, ours will be a quick and transparent transition to the incremental next experiment with enlightened self-governance, maybe even by a purely political movement, under the same flag and law. During America's transition, though, once Europe is no longer bank-rolled by U.S. productivity and protected by U.S. strength, one can easily foresee for them a new dark age, however temporary (or not), of political regression. Then we all start over in the West.

May America remain, therefore, a nation of riflemen. That is humanity's greatest hope for the future.
 

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That's just it, that the urban centers are just the beginning. The heartland has been infected with it, as well. <br>

Good video that summarizes it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0


We've already begun the descent from Republic to Democracy. The mob has learned it can vote itself bread and circuses from the public treasury. We've already seen the hints of running out of other people's money. The slide to Oligarchy seems inevitable barring some drastic changes at some point in the future which the bulk of the populace shows no inclination to embrace anytime soon, be it urban or rural.
 

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Some very interesting thoughts and reading in this thread. Very thought provoking.

A sincere thanks!!
 

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Excellent video, Uxi. The distinctions it makes are critical indeed. Rest assured, though, they are not unknown. At the gun range, at the workplace (military, to include civ contractors), and about town even, I constantly encounter people who jump at the chance to say, "We were never meant to be a democracy, ya know. Founding Fathers intended us to be a Republic," and then go on to describe to me the difference. They're generally pretty close. There is an educated silent plurality out there, at the very least. It is true that a majority legislating without respect for the law which governs them has brought us here, but the strong core of republican philosophy about which the country built itself is still there, and it is resurging, and it is they who will survive and continue through a loss of effective government.
 

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This Republic is as doomed as any other mortal endeavour...


May America remain, therefore, a nation of riflemen. That is humanity's greatest hope for the future.

...and it is they who will survive and continue through a loss of effective government.
This. This so hard.

I know this thread is dead as a doorknob, but I can't help myself.

We must also take into consideration the effects of outside powers, such as China. We now owe them an intangable amount of money, a debt they are not likely to forget just because the states come under new management. We must not only be prepared to fight our own criminals and government, but also the governments of nations who have much to lose, should we truly manage to govern ourselves.

We live in an era which requires intelectual men, such as ourselves, to be soldiers. And vise versa. It truly is an intriguing time to be alive. This is history in the making.

If anyone is interested, there is a video game called Homefront that plays around with the idea of America (and the rest of the world) falling to a North Korean invasion. If thats not enough motivation, the ACR is a usable weapon. It's a full auto basic folder from what I remember, like in MW2.
 
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