Anyone not like their ACR?
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I went back and forth between the ACR and the SCAR 16S. I settled on the ACR because I liked the feel of it better. I figured I could modify it over time to take care of the short comings (i.e.- safety selector, heavy weight, etc.). Unfortunately, I bought it 2nd hand and the previous owner never did the recall, so i haven't had a serious shooting day yet. That lack of experience on the gun put me a a disadvantage when I was recently being shown all the reasons why his SCAR is superior. Also, I later found a better price than what the LE Rep gave me that actually beats my ACR price. I'm hoping to reassure myself when I get it back from bushmaster, which should be any day now.
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i hate scar fanboys, they are so superior since socom uses their rifles....
just sucks for them that they wont be able to do caliber conversions
i hate my acr because it's so freaking addicting to mod that i cant stop...
just sucks for them that they wont be able to do caliber conversions
i hate my acr because it's so freaking addicting to mod that i cant stop...
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Yeah, I've already bobbled the right side of the safety to get it out if the way and put on a PWS break. My next move will have to be to get a 14.5" barrel. Or maybe a 12.5" from Spike Tactical. I've gotta look into the ballistics for each. But the main thing was the weight. I carry a potentially heavy load out that I need to shave down some. Still need to run it through some drills before I can say much.
The caliber changes should be a lot of fun to play around with. I'm really getting interested in the .300 BLK for its commonality with the .223. I'm not very impressed by what I'm seeing on the trajectories, though.
The caliber changes should be a lot of fun to play around with. I'm really getting interested in the .300 BLK for its commonality with the .223. I'm not very impressed by what I'm seeing on the trajectories, though.
bigdog2003_99;2954,
Wow! What is in a name? 2003 - 99; = 2954?
Duuude! Sorry you hate me. I am a SCAR fan boy and for good reason. I am just getting back into shooting after a huge detour in my life.
The first rifle I bought after getting back to what love is an ACR.
I love my ACR but only at a distance - it is back in Maine without a shot fired. I want to love the ACR but the long distance thing is killing me.
After I bought my ACR and before I knew it had problems, I also purchased a SCAR 17 and some SCAR 16's.
I have not shot any of them, work and weather are keeping me tied up.
The SCARS have some short comings VS the ACR. My main complaint with the SCAR is the lower receiver - the ACR lower receiver is much better - the SCAR lower is a AR15 type knock off realy poor and sad.
I have not looked up the specs but my SCAR 17 feels lighter than my ACR Enhanced...do not flame we please, it is my sense.
The ACR has a finer finish.
I love going against the grain and I WANT the ACR to pull though and be the Top Dog - but it is not there yet - it is just not there yet!
The Shot Show was a disappointment in that Bushmaster announced nothing to do with caliber conversions - not a word or a hint!
But on the other hand they did not make more promises that could be broken. So, perhaps, they are committed to fixing the basic 5.56 problems with barrel misalignment and then they will tackle the caliber conversions.
The SCAR is ahead of the ACR but it should be...Still I am pulling for the ACR.
Hate me if you will I am a SCAR fanboy but I am also a an ACR Fanboy...
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its ok lol^ my biggest gripe is that it always comes in with the socom excuse and the weight, the biggest thing that set me off is from a thread on m4c.net how someone on this forum who tested a scar vs an acr in a muddy environment and the scar jammed, the acr ran fine. basically they had 4 pages on how socom is god's children with the scar and the acr is a complete pos since it hasnt been adopted by the military. they were also talking mad crap about the bushmaster acr but had nothing bad to say about the remington version even though they probably are made on the same assembly lines minus the rollmark (unless they actually changed all of them to the lightweight versions)
i do agree the scar is ahead of the acr right now, its been out longer and people are starting to make accessories, not to mention the weight is definately lighter, but i think if bm ever pulls their head out of their 4th point of contact then the acr might be a better choice... i do admit that the scar 17s is pretty badass though, was thinking of getting one for a while
funny thing is the only time my rifle ever jammed it was being shot by a scar fanboy...
/thread jack
i do agree the scar is ahead of the acr right now, its been out longer and people are starting to make accessories, not to mention the weight is definately lighter, but i think if bm ever pulls their head out of their 4th point of contact then the acr might be a better choice... i do admit that the scar 17s is pretty badass though, was thinking of getting one for a while
funny thing is the only time my rifle ever jammed it was being shot by a scar fanboy...
/thread jack
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The decision I made to go with the ACR was LONG considered. The SCAR is not a bad rifle. I agree about the lower receiver. That and the charging handles were the biggest complaints I had (in addition to the stock). Now they are coming out with lots of aftermarket products for the SCAR to improve on these. That guy in the gun shop almost had me convinced to turn around and get the SCAR because of the improvements and the light weight.
The bottom line is that both platforms are in their relative infancy. They've both got improvements to make over the next several years. And I can't wait to see what comes out of it.
I, for one, would love to afford your same assortment. Also, I'm curious to know what you meant by "the long distance thing". Is it just your love affair with your rifles (no judgment), or is it actual problem with the rifle?
The bottom line is that both platforms are in their relative infancy. They've both got improvements to make over the next several years. And I can't wait to see what comes out of it.
I, for one, would love to afford your same assortment. Also, I'm curious to know what you meant by "the long distance thing". Is it just your love affair with your rifles (no judgment), or is it actual problem with the rifle?
the only thing that I personally question is the gas regulator, and why it seems that the rifle has no problems firing the first 1000 rounds (5.56) and then starts having a problem with rejections right after that... it could just be cleaning the dam GR or maybe just something else. I know that there are guys here that have fired many more rounds than the first 1000, so I will have to that journey myself to see if it's all about cleaning...meanwhile BM hasn't said anything on the topic
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...yea man, that 1000rd mark intrigues me...we should start a post "1000rds, is it still kicking?"....i don't have any beef with the weight, the selector, or the gas regulator(yet)....but now bushmaster...the multi-caliber silence...among other things reminds me of someone saying magpul isn't going to tell people whats coming out till its out, cause there tired of the bitching...well, usually people don't like false claims or waiting around like drooling idiots...though i could be wrong...
...man that pisses me off...
...don't bite the hands that feed you [email protected]#[email protected]%&*$...comes to mind...
...other than that...hahahaa...i love my ACR....i just don't like her parents...
right on! I'm with you. I wish they would get the GR deal fixed or have them come out with some statement or something. As far as I'm concern the GR is the heart or maybe the lungs of this rifle!
Yep, this thing is going to take a while to develope - the AR15 crowd can point and laugh, but the AR15 crowd has 50 years and billions of tax payer dollars (yours and my dollars) and tens of thousands of lives have been lost due to it's poor design and development and they laugh at the ACR? The AR, DI system is out dated! Oh boy! The Army wants to continue the AR15! Wow! I am convinced! BTW, they wanted to continue the 45/70 and Krag too!
Hey, have you guys seen the the dude in the Shot Show Video shooting the M4 for 200 round Surefire Mags? He overheated that bitch of a bolt, extractor and spring. What do you think it did to the reliablilty of that rifle/carbine? he spent 18 seconds on the second demo. Who would trust that rifle with their lives after that...?
I say laugh it up monkey boy! Your AR15, M14, M1 rifle, 1903 and Krags have fallen, they are dead: dead, dead and dead. Have you noticed or are you too invested in the past to notice?
The ACR may not make it through developement to be the new U.S. Service Rifle of the future, but guys, the ACR is pushing future developement in the right direction! It is ahead of the ACR it some very basic and important areas! The SCAR is another tax payer developed rifle.
Hang tight on the ACR, Bushmaster will get it right without billions of taxpayer dollars over 50 years and tens of thousands of lives lost! It is going to take a little time! Be paitent, your 1st generation ACR's will be conversation pieces in the new future.
But I could be wrong...
Time will tell!
I have shot a lot of guns, but only ended up buying one of them. Ive shot M4s, Ar-15s, a Scar 16s, and i have to say I'm glad I bought the ACR enhanced. I've put up to 1750 rounds through it (1000 without cleaning it) and still have no malfunctions. I love M4s & Ar-15 ( I know they are basically the same thing) but they are outdated, and the Scar had a worse feel and the lighter weight came with a price. The recoil of the Scar is worse than the ACR's especially during rapid fire moments. The Scar's feel also isn't as well as the ACR. I just believe that the ACR just feels as if it is made with better stuff. I know that's a lame summary of the two rifle, but the quality factor mixed with the ability to change calibers so quickly makes the ACR a better buy in my mind.
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I agree. There was another thread about the parts not having any rattling to it like the SCAR or AR. When you hold your ACR it just feels solid. There is something to be said for that. Magpul really seems to do their polymer right and I respect their products because of it.
I like my ACR quite a bit but I do wish it was lighter. The right side safety needs to be modded(at least for me.) And since its relatively still new. There isn't a real aftermarket or many factory options for it yet. This will change with time so its okay.
The scar vs acr thing is getting old. I prefer the ACR. The only thing I like better about the scar is its lighter. I remember a post where someone found the weight difference was all in the barrel assembly. I think it was on AR15dot com. So hopefully the weight can be cut down a little more there. All this bull about it what SOCOM uses... so what?!? I know some Army members of SOCOM that like them. I also know some Navy members of SOCOM that hated them. What does this prove? Nothing. If you like the SCAR, cool. If you like the ACR, cool. I prefer the features of the acr. I say give the acr some more time and we will see it shine.
Edit: Found it: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=28&t=201242
The scar vs acr thing is getting old. I prefer the ACR. The only thing I like better about the scar is its lighter. I remember a post where someone found the weight difference was all in the barrel assembly. I think it was on AR15dot com. So hopefully the weight can be cut down a little more there. All this bull about it what SOCOM uses... so what?!? I know some Army members of SOCOM that like them. I also know some Navy members of SOCOM that hated them. What does this prove? Nothing. If you like the SCAR, cool. If you like the ACR, cool. I prefer the features of the acr. I say give the acr some more time and we will see it shine.
Edit: Found it: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=28&t=201242
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this is also true for my acr, hell mine converted a hardcore scar lover
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Don't really have any troubles with the rifle so much. There's personal preference things of course but the rifle is on point so far. Only thing that bothers me is that it's being held back by the issues the company is dealing with. It'll catch up eventually I 'spose.
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...i guess acr's modifications are catching on cause i read in small arms review this month that a new CZ rifle is in the works ..i forgot the model # but man it looks exactly like the acr...they didn't try to change anything ...hahahaa....till the military told them to move the charging handle and the stock...and guess what?... its going to be available in 3 or 4 calibers...AK and Vz magazine compatible... wtf bushmaster...?
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