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I was never much of a runner. I actually dislike it. When I first joined the Guard I had back an knee pains all the first year from all the damn running

I took up bare foot running based upon feedback from a guy in my unit who says most people get knee and back problems from bad form, pronation and supronation. He says barefoot running solves this because your body naturally knows how to strike the ground when barefoot so you don't roll and don't heel strike.

Well he was right. I started doing 1 mile runs barefoot at a track and it felt great. It was so much better and more comfortable on my body. I eventually got some minimalist running shoes, and it took some time off my PT test runs and felt so much better.

Anyone else doing barefoot or minimalist shoe runs?

My shoes are the Merrill Trail Gloves and New Balance Minimus. One is a 0mm drop and other is 4mm. I prefer 4mm because it requires less Achilles tendon flex.
 

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My friend was actually a running coach and told me all sorts of crazy stuff about technique and how your foot is supposed to impact the ground. Picking the right shoes should be chosen in correlation to the level of the runner. A $100 pair of shoes wont make a new runner any better because they're meant for someone whose muscles have developed and their style honed to the proper way to run. Pretty much you want to be landing on your heel rolling on the outside of your foot and pushing off with the ball of your foot is what he told me is if im remembering it right. On another note if you and your boys are going to the strip club and one of them are wearing denim shorts and those barefoot shoes. Its prolly a good thing you got a flat tire on the way......when the donut was already on the car
 

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I have the minimus which i like but i limit my use of them because I just started using them...one of my buddies got tendentious from over use running in formation.
 

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I know a few guys that used the vibram 5 finger/toe shoes for light running/work outs. I would do it, but i need ankle support. Mine are completely destroyed. So i run in lightweight aesics

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I have the minimus which i like but i limit my use of them because I just started using them...one of my buddies got tendentious from over use running in formation.
Go very slow. Start with 1/4 miles and work your way up. Walk in them often too. I did a PT test in 0mm drop shoes only after owning them for a couple of weeks and it felt like my calves and tendons were going to explode.

The muscles in the foot of most men are terribly under developed.

And as an FYI when running, heel striking is BAD! You want a mid strike or forestrike.
 

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Thanks for clarification vb. I cant really explain how my buddy was coaching me. Its more or less rolling your foot. Its hard to explain in type . I got this obnoxious blue and orange pair of asics for $60 and they are real nice to run in. I used to be able to run pretty well but my knees have gone downhill so till I get a better train up I can stick with these. But the minimalist is supposed to be for how the body is supposed to run naturally?
 

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Thanks for clarification vb. I cant really explain how my buddy was coaching me. Its more or less rolling your foot. Its hard to explain in type . I got this obnoxious blue and orange pair of asics for $60 and they are real nice to run in. I used to be able to run pretty well but my knees have gone downhill so till I get a better train up I can stick with these. But the minimalist is supposed to be for how the body is supposed to run naturally?
For sure you don't want to heel strike. If you watch little kids run barefoot, they always run naturally. Upright, and never heel striking because kids know this = pain. This is why my knees were getting killed in formation runs. Running in typical running shoes trains you to run bad because you feel "protected".

Minimalist shoes take the cushion out the sole, so it's tough to heel strike without hurting fast, so your body naturally pushes you to mid strike. It strengthens the foot and calf muscles and adds flexibility to the tendons because it makes them work.

Think of this way, when you heel strike on a run, you are actually almost bringing your body to a full stop, and all that momentum energy is transferred to the knees and ankles. When you mid strike or forestrike, you maintain the momentum energy going forward so you run better and shock the joints less.
 

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VB- my experience was pretty much the same as yours... never liked running, could never do it without knee pain, etc.

Got some 5 fingers 2 years ago, messed around with it... got some Merrell Trail Gloves last year and messed some more. Then, finally committed to it this year- the whole "very short runs, with lots of rest to build up the muscles/get used to it" thing.

I went from only running a few miles once a week or so to running 4-6 miles per day with no pain at all. (It took 4 months to work up to this)

Having been through the REALLY minimal shoes, I've found the perfect shoes for me- the Brooks "Pure" line.
4mm drop, and enough cushion that you don't feel every pebble:

For road: http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12067244&cp=3712723.11573702
or: http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12067245&cp=3712723.11573702
For trails: http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12067243&cp=3712723.11573702

I've also found that your calves will get used a lot more, and wearing compression sleeves during or after the runs helps TREMENDOUSLY.
Something like these: http://www.ems.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4129099&lmdn=Category

Resources:
http://www.merrell.com/US/en/BarefootConnection
 

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Yea, the ball of your foot. When running, you should never strike with your heel

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I'm going to start off with a quote that a buddy from ST8 told me.

"Running breeds cowardice."

In 2006 during a long friday run on a EUCOM deployment, my left foot on the ball/pad started acting like I was running on a thumbtack. Between the 4th and 5th toe. I was told originally it was Morton's Neuroma. Basically the nerve between my toes was getting pinched, and I'd feel it around 4miles or 30min of running. I started wearing Vibram 5 Fingers and thought they were great. After a 7 mile run in Oregon, and a NAB to North Island back gate run on Coronado Island, my feet felt shattered the day after. Literally, it was painful to walk on. I could't figure it out.

I went to a Podiatrist while home on leave and he told me I had Neuritis and not Morton's Neuroma. Either way I asked him his opinion on minimal shoes. He related that for light to medium framed guys (180-maybe 200lbs) it was fine, but heavier framed guys would feel it.

I'm hard headed though, and will try and work my way into them again. At the very least, I will definitely wear them while lifting as it helps strengthen your stabilization muscles.

This vid is FANTASTIC:

http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_mcdougall_are_we_born_to_run.html
 

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i dont wear underwear,does thae count?
 

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Some folks here are just in the military and do a lot of running out of necessity

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My shoes are the Merrill Trail Gloves and New Balance Minimus. One is a 0mm drop and other is 4mm. I prefer 4mm because it requires less Achilles tendon flex.
i have the same merrill trail glove shoes and they are the best shoes i have ever owned. i swear by em. i run and ruck with them. at first you will have "sore legs" because the shoes make you use muscles you don't normally use with regular shoes but once you get past that they are amazing.
 

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I see some folks here have read 'Born to Run'.
I've been meaning to read it, I just haven't had heaps of time. I hear it's a very good read.

I think most barefoot and minimal running these days can be traced back to "Born to Run"
 

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Watch the vid I linked. The guy brings up excellent points on why we went the way we did in running technology and how we're paying for it.

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