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I currently have a Aimpoint compM4 on my ACR basic. I also have an airsoft replica aimpoint magnafire and twist mount. (how bad could a chines knockoff be for a peace of glass?)


I can get a great deal on a Trijicon sight. So, should I sell the CompM4 and magnafire and get a Trijicon?

I like this look
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3b.php?pid=TA31RCO-M4CP
With this retical
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3b.php?pid=TA31-CH
But I think I would like the eye relief of this one better.
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3b.php?pid=TA11J

What have you used and what do you like? crosshair or chevrons?

I plan on getting a .300blk kit and maybe a 6.8 spec kit. I would like a sight that would work well for all calibers.
Thanks for any info.
 

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Not a question that has any easy answers. Alot of forum time all over the internet has been spent trying to answer this question. I can only help by adding that I currently have an Aimpoint M2 with a 3x magnifier and a Hi-lux CMR 1x-4x scope that I switch between. (depends where I going to shoot) I use the M2 setup when I hit the indoor range which is only 50 yards long. When I go to the outdoor range I use the CMR. (mostly 100yards, maximum of 200yards on occasion)

I would love to purchase a Trijicon ACOG, but can't justify to myself the exspense to punch holes in paper. If my life depended on it on a daily basis, no question I would own one. As far as the reticle, that is totally a personal preference. I can only suggestion looking thru each type before plopping down that kinda coin sight unseen if possible. I personally like the green horseshoe version, (thats what the CMR uses) Another thing to take into concideration is that the BDC (bullet drop compensation) in the reticle is caliber specific. So if you bought the .223 version, it wouldn't be perfect for other calibers as marked.

Also another thing to take into concideration is that the zero for each barrel would be different and you would have to re-zero the optic when you change the barrels. I plan on buying an optic for each barrel and zero the optic to that barrel. That way when I change barrels, I change the optic to match as zeroed.

Did I answer your question, no. Did I add to the confusion, yup sure did :) As stated earlier, alot of electrons have given thier lifes to ponder this question :D

BTW, how is that chicom clone magnifier holding up? Do you like it? Looks good!
 

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Does the flip to the side mount for the magnifier lock to the side? Also does it work well enough in your opinion?
I using the American Def swing mount: http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/216/

It is absolute co-witness height. Works great and locks out of the way. Works really well with an EOtech. Using Troy BUIS it will rub when swinging out of the way. Absolute height is not tall enought for the Magpul MBUS and it will not swing out of the way using those. Do I like the mount, it's good. I would rather have the larue or samson flip to side with an Amer Def mounting system. Can't have everything I guess.

Would I buy it again, probably. But would go with lower 1/3 next time which is alittle taller.

ETA: oppssss, your were talking about his flip to side mount, sorry bout that.
 

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The mount locks to the side. It seems to work just fine, it hasn't fallen apart yet. I will try to get some detailed pictures later.
 

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This cannot be stressed enough. When deciding what you want to use for your rifle, optics, bipod, stock, blah, blah, blah. You have to decide what your intended purpose of your rifle is. Is it a working gun (i.e. battle rifle, patrol rifle, etc), or is it a defense gun (home/SD), or is it a plinker? Aristotle stated that of the 6 questions (who, what, when, where, how, & why) the most important of them all was WHY. You should ask yourself why you want the Trijicon in the first place. What do you intend on using it for primarily.

In my opinion, the primary purpose of a firearm is selfdefense and the defense of one's freedom form those who would take it away without due process. The target practice is for the training. The fun and cool looks are all secondary.

So here is my "why" I use the Micro T1:

I do not intend on ever engaging targets greater than 100m away. If I do ever need to, I have my 200m - 600m BUIS. So I use my T1 for any possible engagements of less than 100m and my typical scenario is 50m or less. I do not hunt with my battle rifle and therefore have no real need for magnified optics. If my enemy is greater than 100m, unless I am on a football field, I should have no problem evading the enemy. As a former Navy Special Forces weapons specialist (i.e. non-designated marksman/sniper) I rarely ever needed to engage target beyond 100m with my small arms rifle. Now, the M2 .50, that is a different story.

Any way, before throwing down a large some of money like that on a single optic, ask yourself why you "need" it. I am looking to build another M4 carbine. I asked myself why do I "need" to build it. I have 1 for me and 1 for my wife. But then I thought, if there was ever an SHTF situation, I would have a few more adults take refuge on my property. This would be my children's god parents. That means one more person to arm. So now I have to decide what optic to put on that rifle now that I have defined the role or purpose in which that rifle will fill.

I hope that makes sense. I am not telling do not buy the Trijicon, but rather just make sure that that is an investment you truly want to make.
 

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Personally, I use mine for a patrol rifle in a rural county. I currently have an Eotech 557 with the 3x magnifier and FTS mount. It works great. If I need it for king range work, it's got a .223 BDC and enough magnification to see detail on what I need to hit. in addition the FTS mount has plenty of clearance for the MBUIS.

Recently, since getting my ACR, I've been trying to shed weight. So, I took off the magnifier, but left the mount, which has an ARMS throw lever for quick re-attachment if needed. I'm currently looking to get a lighter-weight Eotech so that I can keep the magnifier attached. Plus, with the ACR caliber conversions, don't know that I want a caliber specific BDC. I probably won't engage beyond 300m anyway. I live in a state where the worst shootings are done by drunken hunters with .300 range caliber rifles with HP scopes. Otherwise, I'd probably get rid of the magnifier all together.

I tried out an ACOG that I had gotten at a great price with the RMR on top. The ACO is great glass, but the green crosshairs that I had weren't all too good for quick target acquisition in CQB, so I got the RMR. Well, it has it's problems. The LED RMR has one power setting. It's constant on, which is great, but it's not powerful enough IMHO to use in bright light. One flash of the mounted light and it disappeared. In addition the glass on the RMR made me feel like I was looking though a bubble. I didn't care for it. The Leupold had much better glass. I sold that setup.

If you want to look closer at the ACOG, consider one with a "BAC" based reticle. They are more viable for CQB, but I wouldn't suggest an RMR mounted on top. Besides the problems with the device, I quickly realized that I would rather change the position of the optics (ref: FTS or pivot mount) rather than lift my cheek from the stock thereby changing my whole posture.

Good luck in the search for the best fit for you. Keep us posted.
 

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i'm fast with the acog, but alot faster with the t-1. the acog is more precise but the t-1 is lighter... i've ran both on my acr and either is a very good option, just depends on what you want to use it for
 

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This cannot be stressed enough. When deciding what you want to use for your rifle, optics, bipod, stock, blah, blah, blah. You have to decide what your intended purpose of your rifle is. Is it a working gun (i.e. battle rifle, patrol rifle, etc), or is it a defense gun (home/SD), or is it a plinker? Aristotle stated that of the 6 questions (who, what, when, where, how, & why) the most important of them all was WHY. You should ask yourself why you want the Trijicon in the first place. What do you intend on using it for primarily.

In my opinion, the primary purpose of a firearm is selfdefense and the defense of one's freedom form those who would take it away without due process. The target practice is for the training. The fun and cool looks are all secondary.

So here is my "why" I use the Micro T1:

I do not intend on ever engaging targets greater than 100m away. If I do ever need to, I have my 200m - 600m BUIS. So I use my T1 for any possible engagements of less than 100m and my typical scenario is 50m or less. I do not hunt with my battle rifle and therefore have no real need for magnified optics. If my enemy is greater than 100m, unless I am on a football field, I should have no problem evading the enemy. As a former Navy Special Forces weapons specialist (i.e. non-designated marksman/sniper) I rarely ever needed to engage target beyond 100m with my small arms rifle. Now, the M2 .50, that is a different story.

Any way, before throwing down a large some of money like that on a single optic, ask yourself why you "need" it. I am looking to build another M4 carbine. I asked myself why do I "need" to build it. I have 1 for me and 1 for my wife. But then I thought, if there was ever an SHTF situation, I would have a few more adults take refuge on my property. This would be my children's god parents. That means one more person to arm. So now I have to decide what optic to put on that rifle now that I have defined the role or purpose in which that rifle will fill.

I hope that makes sense. I am not telling do not buy the Trijicon, but rather just make sure that that is an investment you truly want to make.
This is a very timely post...in my case I have been all over the place looking at what to put on my new ACR. I still have to figure out what the ACR's capabilities are. I figure that the ACR is good for sure out to 100 yds. But, I haven't read anybody in this forum raving about it's capabilities beyond 100-300 yds. So we will have to see. Reading between the lines, my take on what you're saying is that it doesn't make sense to put an optic with a bullet drop reticle if you don't (i.e. ACOG or Elcan) plan on shooting the ACR beyond a 100 yds. in the case a red dot device would suffice.

On the other hand my match grade AR15 is proven capable at least in my hands out to 300 yds. and I wouldn't think twice putting a $1200 ACOG on that rifle. The verdict on the ACR is still out in my opinion. I hope to be able to have a positive report at the 200 yds range.
 

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Ok, I have decided to keep the Aimpoint. Most of the shooting I do is within 100 yards, mostly 40-50 yards. Thank you all for the info.
 

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I've got the "Jack of all trades" Trijicon on my ACR. The 1-4x with the German #4 retical and green dot. Mounted in a Larue quick release mount, it's a pretty cool settup, although adds some weight. Only thing I might not like about the scope is that the crosshairs are a bit on the thick side, esp. at 4x at longer ranges.
 

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I was leaning towards Trijicon until I found that they charge $500 to re-charge when the tritium looses it's glow
 

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I don't want to sound like an elitist, but you get what you pay for. If it's your SHTF rifle, do NOT skimp.

I have one "cheap" red dot and that's the Primary Arms T1 clone sitting on my boy's Umarex 416 .22lr. Everything else get's a premium optic.

As a buddy once told me, buy once, cry once.
 

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I guess I did it backwards...I've got an Aimpoint magnifier and a knock off eotech. One of the better knock off eotechs but a knock off none the less.
 

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Well I am saving for an illuminated mil dot leupold Mark 4 but I needed something for the time being and I picked it up for about $70. The aimpoint is something I got for free from my little brother who got it for like $65.00 new in the box from some guy he knows who bought it and never used it. Its not a bad set up for the money, its just not something I would like to have to rely on in the event of the zombie apocalypse.
 
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