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We all know about the 4th Amendment. So how is this justified under the law? The TSA has just announced that they will possibly fine people for refusing both the full body scan and the full body pat down. So in other words, if you refuse the scan, you can opt for the pat down. if you refuse the scan and the pat down the TSA can fine you $11,000 and you still don't get to fly. So with that said it is akin to once you step into an airport, you are already subject to the fine if you do not take either or.

I think the slippery slope here is that under the 4A, we have the right to refuse unreasonable search and seizure. Without getting into what is reasonable and what isn't, we still have the right to refuse without reprocussions, such as fines, etc. Now, the TSA has the right to refuse entry into the terminal unless you comply with all search requests, etc. But fining me, for refusing searches because I do not feel comfortable with it and then fining me, is just outright wrong and unconstitutional.

Slippery slope scenario: You are driving through town and you get pulled over for "looking suspicious." The officer walks up to your window and asks for your license and registration. You have never been pulled over before so you appear nervous. The officer noticing you look nervous, belives you may be nervous because you are hiding something. After all, if you haven't done anything wrong, what is there to be nervous about? Right? So the officer, naturally asks if he can search your car. You remember that you teenage son borrowed your car the night before to go out with some friends and one of them is that kid you do not like because he smokes pot and you are afraid that there could be some elements of pot in your car. After all, you haven't cleaned it out in a few weeks. Of course you still haven't done anything wrong, right? it wouldn't have been your pot, but that stupid kid you don't want your son hanging out with. Cause your specific career would be over if you ever got busted with drugs. Given the economy the way it is right now, you just can't risk. So you respectfully decline to allow the officer to search your car.

He politely says "okay, no problem whatsover. That suits me just fine." with a big ol' smile on his face as he hands you a ticket with a fine on it for refusing a search of your vehicle, in the amount of $11,000. But let's look at this even further. Let's say the fine was just $50.

I was reading a thread on another forum (one my wife belongs to with many other women) and all they said was, if you don't want to get searched, don't fly. What they failed to realize, is that if we let this happen in the airports where the Constitution still has jurisdiction, then what prevents it from happening on the streets?

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-man-faces-fine-for-refusing-tsa-scan,0,7222070.story

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...0101121_1_tsa-airport-checkpoint-sari-koshetz
 

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If I have to fly again - I am going to buy a metalic based marker and draw on my boxers, "TSA can suck my" and draw an arrow to my croch. You heard it hear first folks. So if some one else does it before me, they got the dea from me.
 

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Which one??

Try both, and scream "ACR FORUM!!" when they cart you away. (GRIN. :) :) ) with the cameras rolling for CNN.

I'm kidding of course,
 

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Military poncho and a speedo is what I plan to wear for my next TSA handjob. For your own sake, don't try and picture it.
 

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How to balance security with the the thought of another airplane or airplanes going down? I do not know that $11K fines slow down bad guys. Everything I read says the new security push is a show piece that puts the focus and resources on the show and and deverts it away from real security efforts.
They are heavy handed and unjust with the $11K fine but it will take more than these things to turn the tide. They will become, in my opinion, more abusive as time goes on until they really step into it in a way that brings them under control.
 

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In the opinion of this former sailor, the only way to put an end to this terrorism is to wipe every Muslim off the face of the Earth. I know how that sounds, but I know more about the Koran (Qur'an) than most red blooded Americans. There are two parts to the Koran. the first half which is all about peace and love to everyone. The second half is also about peace. No, no love in act 2. But there is peace. Only it is peace through the conversion of every living soul to Islam or muslims should cut the head off. Also, peace through the world-wide political installment of Sharia law. So yes, the Muslims and liberal Americans can say with a straight face that, Islam is a religion of peace. Only they neglect to tell say the means at which that peace is brought about.

Granted terrorists are no longer seeking to get onto planes to blow them up but rather blow up cargo planes. Al-Qeada networks have even stated this, that airports are a losing battle on that front. If I was Al-qeada (which I am not), they are trying to think too big or grandioso with all these complicated plans. Sure the 9/11 attacks worked to achieve their desired effects, however, people still felt safe at home, on the sidewalks of their neighborhood, at the malls, on the bus, at spring break, etc. People's lives and lifestyles were not effected. There is no way that America can be taken down by any show of force directly. You have to turn the government against the people, and the people against the government. Al-Qeada is either too stupid to understand this or they are working for someone else.

Airport security is nothing more than a test to show how tolerant people are of more security and less freedom.
 
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